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Re: [tlug] Holy smokes, Unity and Gnome 3 suck worse than I ever could have imagined.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:14:52 +0900
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <> wrote:

> Attila Kinali writes:
>  > But why, why do these people think they can make a design that
>  > is good, fits everyones need, just in their spare time?
> I hate to break it to you, but the people developing Unity (including
> their HCI group) are well-paid (at least, I know some people with the
> same employer who have no complaints).  Dunno about GNOME 3, but I
> suspect those folks are professionals, too, quite possibly in all
> senses of the word.  They have two differences from the Big Two:

I know that there are people who are paid to work on gnome/KDE.
I haven't forgotten helixcode/ximian/novell yet, or that Sun spend
quite some money on getting gnome to a usable state. But given the
"design" of gnome (i dont know enough about KDE to judge it) i have
the strong impression, that they are an uncoordinated bunch of people
who pull into different directions, not knowing themselves where to pull.
It really looks like it's just a part time/freetime thing to actually
design a user interface or to think about what the user actually wants.
> 1.  They don't have as much money as Apple or Microsoft.

Could be true. But then, quite a few companies are paying for gnome
and KDE.

> 2.  But at least their problem is bigger!  (Because unlike Apple or
>     MSFT, they're not in a position to force you to use their WM and
>     their SM and their dock etc etc.)

This is not entirely true. KDE was build with one WM in mind. And,
although you could switch, it was never supported. Gnome is going the
way that they want you to stick with their WM as well. Gnome2 makes it
pretty hard to switch already, Gnome3 has the policy that you should
not switch at all (but it is still supposed to be possible... somehow)

The only difference is that you can choose between gnome, KDE, Xfce, LXDE etc.
But i dont consider this any different from choosing MacOS or Windows
(at least in this regard).

			Attila Kinali

It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All 
the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no 
use without that foundation.
                 -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson

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