Re: [tlug] Using TAR

[Matt Doughty <mdoughty@example.com>]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 07:58:15PM -0800, roy lo wrote:
> pardon my french;
> but can you ppl. fucking read???
> did I say it won't fit? quote it to me!!
> I say it is going to have problem. he is running to low on his partition 
> space. 59M that is 92% of his partition, which is a very bad ideal.
> and I don't think you need me to explain why that is bad. do you?
> 
At your request.

RL>Apparently, you(chris) forgot the fact that /lib and /bin are NOT links
RL>from /usr in linux. (For those of you didn't know; in Unix systems such
RL>as Solaris, that /bin -> /usr/bin and /lib -> /usr/lib). So, your
RL>suggested 64mb is going to have problem (in a linux standard  
RL>installation per say)

Now if your were suggesting that there would be _another_ problem
besides space please share with us.  Is there something magic about
64M, and not linking /usr /lib? Perhaps some insider driver knowledge 
you have? Your implication was that it wouldn't work, and you continue
to ignore his caveate of needing to expand for todays excesses. I don't
have to time for your back tracking, and quibbling on a technicality
regarding how much should or shouldn't be in the a partition. If it is a
relatively static partition it doesn't make a difference.  Basically, you
got irritated at Chris, and started nit-picking, and then got irritated
when the table was turned.  Anyway there is your quote. Now your turn, 
where did Chris say he was talking about solaris(which isn't classic unix 
just ask all the admins who had a fit when they were forced to go switch from
SunOS), or linux for that matter? 


--Matt
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> Matt Doughty wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 07:28:03PM -0800, roy lo wrote:
> > 
> >>I know that, but don't forget the fact that directorys like /lib can 
> >>grow in size. And he is got /sbin and /boot in / as well (accroding to 
> >>his partition style). For argument's sake you can install those "after" 
> >>softwares into /usr/bin or /usr/lib, etc. as well. But any reasonable 
> >>system admin. won't let himself to be in that kinda of mess (always have 
> >>"at least" 20%-30% of free space on a partition.)
> >>
> > It shouldn't grow, and you are taking out the parts you like to rave,
> > about so I will spell it out for you:
> > 1. He said classic unix layout. (this makes his statement correct)
> > 2. He said scale due to excesses in current practices. (see RH)
> > 3. /lib should almost never grow that is why we have /usr/lib etc.
> >    and like I said 45M is a RH 7.2 /lib size. 
> > 4. /sbin on the same install in 8M, and 6M + 8M + 45M=59M which means
> >    it all fits which you suggested it wouldn't.  You are wrong.
> > 
> > 
> >>I'm not trying to jump on Chris, I only try to point out where I think 
> >>is incorrect.
> >>
> >>
> >> > that link /lib, and /bin to /usr/lib, and /usr/bin respectively are
> >> > not doing the 'right thing'(TM).
> >>Wrong, that is the style that most unix systems use. Take a look at any 
> >>solaris box and you will see that.
> >>
> >>
> 
> Most "companies" use System V based Unix. and I agress that the "right 
> thing" != "standard pratice". so you are right about that part.
> But there is a reason for that kinda of method. ie. massive dir. size or 
> development machines. (for example /lib is a separe hotswap disk and we 
> would replace them with the one that is shipped from Taiwan once so often)
> 
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> 
> > Yeah, suddenly solaris is most systems? I know most BSD based systems
> > don't do it so that is a whole lot of boxen right there that contradict
> > your most unix systems, and I don't really care what unixes today do or
> > don't do it the point remains it is not a good practice. You should be
> > able to get up and running with only / mounted that method of mounting 
> > makes that impossible.  I find your inability to read what people say
> > the most annoying part of this whole affair.  You assume firstly that
> > solaris is most systems, and then assume that my statement that it is
> > a poor practice is somehow the same as saying solaris doesn't do it. 
> > The fact is alot of "standard practices" are not good practices(TM), and
> > this is just one of them.
> > <BIG SNIP>
> > --Matt
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