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- Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:08:03 +0900
- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@example.com>
- Subject: Re: [tlug] GPL vs. paid version and ethics
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Attila Kinali writes: > Hmm.. Ubuntu might be a comercial product, but beside the package > managment frontends and the distribution itself, they do not develop > much software (i completely disregard here the fact that a lot of package > maintainers are part of the upstream developers) And what about Launchpad, bzr, and Unity?[1] You're also completely disregarding the fact that it is Canonical that provides the paid resources to polish up, make consistent, and system test Ubuntu, package-by-package and for the distro as a whole. In other words (and of course, somewhat exaggerated -- but only somewhat), until Canonical gets through with it, it isn't really a "product" at all. It's just a hunk of code. > Maybe. I haven't heard of them. I know many Java and C++ shops. > C is already quite rare and only used in embedded systems. Except of course in the core GNU and BSD system code, including user- space utilities and most language implementations. Hmm.... > And the most important point all of them miss is that programming > is a craft, best taught from cratsman to cratsfman. No, you're missing the point that some craftsmen never make it out of the journeyman stage, while others are masters. A rules-based process is of course mechanical, and does not lead to truly excellent design or code by itself. What it is supposed to do is guarantee a minimum quality by allocating team resources effectively, and ensuring that certain unpleasant or unobvious activities (post-mortems, testing, documentation) are consistently and effectively carried out. High- quality software can't be an individual effort for most developers, they need to work in teams. These "mechanical" processes have little to do with "craftsmanship". They are focused on communication. It's well-known that process of developing a managed software engineering process is multistage. It should neither surprise nor discourage you that many shops around you are like yours, in the "process-unaware/process-resisting" stage 0, and most of the rest are in the "ill-defined, even-if-there-are-rules-they-aren't-followed" stage 1.[2] There are now well-known techniques for improving your processes. There may be better references, but the works of Watts Humphrey are a good start.[3] Steve Footnotes: [1] The fact that many of us detest Unity doesn't mean that it wasn't a substantial effort, and at the very least an interesting experiment. Ditto my own opinions about bzr (the last thing I wrote about bzr was "God I hate bzr for not being git!" :-) [2] "Stage 0" is a phrase coined by Ed Yourdon, I believe, but I don't have a cite for it off-hand -- the indexes to his books suck. ;-) A readable and *short* account of the 5 stages of the Software Engineering Institute's CMM (some combination of "capability", "maturity", "management", and "model") is in Ed Yourdon's "Decline and Fall of the American Programmer," Ch. 4. [3] "Managing the Software Process," "A Discipline for Software Engineering," "Introduction to the Personal Software Process" among others.
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- [tlug] GPL vs. paid version and ethics
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- Re: [tlug] GPL vs. paid version and ethics
- From: Attila Kinali
- Re: [tlug] GPL vs. paid version and ethics
- From: Stephen J. Turnbull
- Re: [tlug] GPL vs. paid version and ethics
- From: Attila Kinali
- Re: [tlug] GPL vs. paid version and ethics
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- Re: [tlug] GPL vs. paid version and ethics
- From: Attila Kinali
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