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Re: [tlug] Peeling onions.
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:28:03 -0500
- From: Josh Glover <email@example.com>
- Subject: Re: [tlug] Peeling onions.
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 00:50:39 +0900, Uva Coder <email@example.com> wrote: > Yeah, but I see GRUB and LILO as being train wrecks. I only see them > as getting worse. While I would agree with you whole-heartedly on LILO, I actually think GRUB is quite nice. Elegant design within the limitations imposed by each architecture, very extensible. What makes you see a train wreck, specifically? > I view the GNU way as a more restrictive paradigm than other closed or > open source projects. I don't see GNU as a coherent foundation where > all applications can share resources through a system protocol (i.e., > P9 protocol). From my understanding, even V Kernel did the same thing > to allow for process migration. GNU addresses neither. But that is > just the tip of the iceberg. Isn't this the Unix paradigm, though? I thought that Unix provided these different IPC methods so that the messaging protocols could be deferred to the application level. While I see the power of a system protocol like P9 (please excuse my blatant assumptions here about what P9 does--I am just inferring from context as I go here, being ignorant of Plan 9's design and implementation), I also understand why you need generic IPC as well. (Again, I know nothing of Plan 9, but knowing the way the BL chaps think--or at least, I *think* that I know how they think, having devoured all of the books that they have written--I imagine that it does both). > I won't bore the ideas about namespaces and globally sharing system > resources. I would love to find out more. Is there a document on the order of 10-25 pages that hits the highlights of Plan 9's design? If so, please point me to it. > As for sharing data, the popular things nowadays are nfs, > scp, ftp, and http; how sad an existence we live. I believe we can do > much better. Why not a single protocol that extends across all > boundaries to access data the same way, securely and safely across > networks? A file is a file, right? If you are concerned about opening > a file the protocol doesn't do that but a utility. Agreed. And, if I am not totally off-base, that is one of the biggest ideas behind Plan 9, right? > I'll end here. I'm sure folks are getting tired of my ideas. Au contraire, mon frere (rhyme intended, give me a cookie)! I am finding this discussion one of the most interesting that we have had in these parts in many moons. Hell, I think SJT and wileyc have posted more in this thread (and the related ones) than in the past year combined! :) Seriously, this is quite reminiscent of the atmosphere that first attracted me to TLUG, five years ago. -Josh
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