Re: tlug: forwarded message from Hajime Saitou

[Hajime Saitou <hajime@example.com>]

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tlug note from Hajime Saitou <hajime@example.com>
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>     Hajime> so far is this and the unexpected XEmacs-beta problem. No
>     Hajime> crashing, yet. I've recompiled most things with pgcc for
>     Hajime> speed. (This is a P5-90 machine)
> 
> pgcc is buggy as hell, still.  XEmacs will _not_ compile, let alone
> work, under pgcc, according to xemacs-beta traffic.  I would not trust
> a system where any of the libraries are compiled with pgcc.

I suppose pgcc is buggy, but XEmacs-20.3-b27 does compile with
pgcc-970924. I've got Email from another beta-tester confirming this
after I posted my success.

There was another worrying thing as I was not able to compile a
certain file on the system here at the lab but could on the PC I have
at home. The other beta-tester also confirmed that he was able to
compile all files.

PGCC isn't perfect yet but the benchmarks were pretty promising.
(The last sentence worries me because I think I've just stepped on a
trapdoor called "benchmark".)

>     Hajime> The most unexpected thing was that I also have XEmacs
>     Hajime> problem on a debian bo system except for ldso-1.9? and
>     Hajime> just the libraries of glibc-2.0.5c. I'm checking which
>     Hajime> packages are installed but...
> 
> This is _not_ unexpected, IMHO.  You're doing bleeding edge stuff.

Yes, but what I want to know is what exactly is going wrong. What's
more worrying is that I get exactly the same problem with a totally
bo(libc5.4.33) system. I'm hoping that people will be able to upgrade
to debian-2.0 and not have to do complete reinstalls.

> You're not doing very much bleeding that I can see; count your
> blessings, man.

I do. Actually even the kernel is compiled with pgcc-970924. So every
keystroke is a gamble (talk about thin ice).

> Anyway, I'm out of my depth; I have not been able to get a hamm-based
> system running.  I wish you luck, but I don't think the problems
> you're experiencing are "unexpected."

Your right. I'll better chose my words better next time.

> You will be a very good systems hacker when you get done with this :-)

We--ll I don't now about that... I'll just keep it as "just a good
hack" level. If I solve it that is... :)

Hajime Saito

Next TLUG meeting is Saturday October 11, 1997
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