Re: [tlug] Ghosted?

[James Tobin <jamesbtobin@example.com>]

Perhaps you just need someone to sit down with a manager and have a
conversation about what it is they actually need to hire for and why.
. . .  then, go out to market and find someone to do the job.  Sit
with people.  Meet them. Get a feel for them.  Ensure that they can do
a job by having a conversation with you about what they do; without
relying on an LLM.  The other thing is that allowing employers to post
free or inexpensive jobs doesn't help matters. . . . It makes it worse
because it reduces genuine employer investment in the recruitment
process.  Back in the day recruitment adverts cost money, either in a
newspaper, magazine or on job sites (although some still do charge and
perhaps even more). . . . .

On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 at 00:15, Raymond Wan <rwan.kyoto@example.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 5:03 PM Christian Horn <chorn@example.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 04:39:07PM +0100, Raymond Wan wrote:
> > > [job application]
> > >
> > > But personalised feedback?  I have never heard of that.
> > The applicants position got better recently, the interviewer starts to
> > ask for something nicely which they can not control: applicants start to
> > have LLM listen to the interview and have it write suggested replies to
> > the monitor.
> > They own the computer, so there is not much the interviewer at the other
> > side can do about this.. just ask nicely.
>
>
> Ah!  It didn't take long for the term "LLM" to appear in this thread.  :-)
>
> Similar to job applications, I was talking to a colleague recently and
> he mentioned that the number of graduate school applications increased
> noticeably.  Unfortunately, it isn't because many people wanted to
> learn.  But because it is now easier to put together an application
> (i.e., cover letter, paragraph explaining why you want to do a
> graduate degree, etc.) using LLMs.
>
> I still remember the "good ol' days" when application forms were
> handwritten and you had to send it off in an envelope with an
> application fee (using a cheque!).  Compared to now, the whole process
> was primitive, but if someone went through the trouble of doing all
> this, they probably really wanted to study.  Probably all this work
> ended up being some kind of filter.
>
> If LLMs are increasing the number of applicants, universities have no
> choice but to use LLMs to screen applications.  It is almost like some
> kind of "arms race" with the two sides using LLMs to try to outsmart
> the other side.
>
> But that's university applications...I wouldn't be surprised if job
> applications are going down this route to...
>
> > I made a suggestion to solve this with a "cease fire" where also the
> > employer commits to not use LLM and other AI models, but I doubt they
> > want to commit to that either.
>
> A "cease fire" to the arms race would be nice, but I think LLMs have
> been let loose on society.  Few would give up on such an advantage...
>
> I have come across one or two applications.  I spend more time
> wondering if LLMs were used than whether or not the candidate is good.
> *sigh*
>
> Ray
>