Re: [tlug] openssh on Centos 5.2

[Gen Kanai <gkanai@example.com>]

On Aug 18, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:30:15PM +0900, Gen Kanai wrote:
> > On Aug 18, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> >
> > > Oh gosh, don't get me started.  Updated firefox on CentOS lately?   
> > > Or
> > > tried installing Fedora, unchecking both KDE and Gnome, to find that
> > > PolicyKit will install one or the other?
> > >
> > > (Firefox, on both CentOS and Fedora installs, whether you tell it to
> > > check before installing addons or not, 71 language packs.)
> >
> > That's unfortunate.
> >
> > CentOS and Fedora (as well as all of the Linux distros) roll their  
> > own
> > builds of Firefox off Mozilla binaries, so please note that this is
> > not a Mozilla requirement or request.
>
> Some Fedora folks were saying this was an upstream decision, but
> downloading builds from Mozilla indicate that this isn't the case.

I need to double-check with our l10n team but I am 99.9% certain that  
it is not an upstream/Mozilla decsion.

> > Mozilla works pretty closely with RH and Canonical and Suse (iirc)  
> > but
> > have less influence over community-driven distros like CentOS or  
> > Fedora.
>
> CentOS, in theory at least, should be pulling from RH, not Fedora.
> Fedora is saying that it is because they are international, but  
> thanks,
> in part, to Rahul S. and Adam W., they're at least investigating other
> solutions.  What disturbs me most isn't a bloated default--I'm used to
> that with RH.  :)  (Oh, shame on me.)  It's that the user has  
> absolutely
> no control over it.  If one removes all language packs (which has to  
> be
> done as root, and takes at least 4 keystrokes per language), it just
> gets put back with the next upgrade.
>
> There is a bugzilla request--let me see if I can find it.... Sheeesh,
> their bugzilla is REALLY slow.....
>
> Ah, here it is.
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477127

Gotcha.  This is helpful.  Thank you.

> Discussion on Fedora Forums, including comments from Rahul.
>
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=208534
>
> If you wish to post a comment on Fedora forums, without bothering to
> register, let me know and I'll get it posted in that thread.
>
> Believe me, just about everyone would be grateful if you could do
> something about this, even if it's stating that it is NOT an upstream
> decision, but something that Fedora/CentOS (and possibly RH) have, in
> their MS fashion, decided as a Thing That Should Be.
>
> > I'm looking in to see if there's some better solution here, so thank
> > you for bringing this up.
>
> Just, for what it's worth, it's one reason I loathe opening firefox in
> Fedora, (which is my primary O/S at work) or CentOS (my primary O/S at
> home), simply because of this.
>
> Many people would be grateful.


Understood.

However, as I said initially, Mozilla has little-to-no control over  
what the community-based Linux distros do, so it's better to focus  
your energies on the CentOS/Fedora team because Mozilla has in  
practice little control over what CentOS or Fedora does for their  
Mozilla builds.

Gen