Re: [tlug] Re: Piping stderr?

[Jiro SEKIBA <jir@example.com>]

At 01 Jul 2002 18:55:44 +0900,
Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@example.com> wrote:

> Oh, actually I think almost all of them are interested.  They don't
> necessarily know all the pages in section 3 of the manual, of course.

 In the same way, they don't necessarily know all the pages of Unicode specs.

> You see, I'm not talking about _me_, I know how I'm going to handle
> this.  I'm talking about somebody who's trying to write her first I18N
> program.  Pity that the poor lady is a Turk working in Germany, and
> she never heard of Japan until the World Cup.  Shift JIS?  Nobody
> could possibly really use something that broken, could they?  How
> could a sane, non-Japanese programmer imagine that?

 They don't use SJIS if they don't know Japanese.
They will use their favorite codesets.

> And why should she have to learn?

 In the same way, why should she have to learn about Unicode?
If you want to write real I18N, you need to learn about I18N, of course.
That includes BiDI, CTL, Ideograph and so on.  That is real I18N.

> No, I prefer _real_ internationalization, where the programmer doesn't
> need to know about the locales where her program is going to be used
> to write safe, correct programs.

 Please correct this sentence, please.
Codesets are one of the problems for I18N, but we still need locale
mechanism.  Programs need locale mechanism for messages, date format,
number format, currency symbols and so on.  I'm sure you know all about this.
Please do not simplify I18N as if Unicode solved all these problems.
I don't want anybody to misunderstand, please correct.

>  This may impose a certain amount of
> restriction on the programmers or users, but that can eventually be
> generalized in a safe way if needed.  Such need will rarely be urgent
> for shells and scripting languages (remember them?  that's what we're
> talking about).

 Sorry, I thought we were talking whole system.
Scripting language, as I said, I agreed already.  This is 3rd times.

 About shells, I wrote my thought already in 

> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:38:42 +0900
> Message-ID: <87lm8zu4il.wl@example.com>

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