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tlug: Re: tlug-romaji and server names
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- From: "Jonathan Byrne" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:12:53 +0900
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>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 01:27:23 +0000 From: Matt Gushee <email@example.com> >Subject: tlug: Anglicization - Re: Server Name? > >Yes yes yes, absolutely! Actually, though, I think there's a legitimate >linguistic rationale for this atrocity. To wit, because the Japanese >themselves don't distinguish between the 's' of 'sa' and the 'sh' of >'shi', the Tonkatu/sibuya romanization is in a sense truer to the >original. Well, yes and no. The argument for the Monbusho system (and Prof. Eleanor Jorden uses a system almost identical to Monbusho in here Japanese: the Spoken Language textbook series) is that it is based on the underlying phoneme rather than the phonetic product after it has been run through the phonological rule set that turns "tu" into "tsu." But since both kana writing systems are syllabaries rather than alphabets, they make no comment on that. If the pronunciation of "tsu" in present day Japanese were to shift to "splork" 1,000 years from now, it would still be written the same way in kana, whereas a language that was written with an alphabet would likely change the spelling (although with English, you never know; it's lack of a standardization body leads to all kinds of interesting gaps between spelling and pronunciation :-) ). There is no perfect romaji system - all have their flaws. However, if we consider the original goal of romaji - to provide a means for those who do not read and write Japanese to render the sounds of Japanese in a written form - the Hepburn system and it's close derivatives are far more successful than the Monbusho and Block-Jorden systems. >Funnily enough, Chinese was subjected to a similarly hideous >romanization system for many years. China, however, eventually figured >out that nobody could figure out how to pronounce Mao Tse-tung and >We can only hope Japan will follow suit in our lifetimes :-/ I'm not going to hold my breath. The Monbusho came up with that mess themselves, and whether it's good, bad, or ugly doesn't matter. All that matters is that they invented it. Kind of like their English "education" program for junior and senior high school students: it's the laughing stock of the whole world, yet they do nothing to fix it because they invented it :-( Shifting to server names, I think the names of stations (not just subway stations, though), rivers, and shinkansen trains are all great ideas. All carry the feeling of movement and forward progress. As far as name length goes, do we have to limit the name length to a fixed number of characters? If so, we'll soon find ourselves with a lot of station names that don't fit, in which case rivers or shinkansen names might be better, since they're usually shorter. If there is no limit, though, train stations should be no problem. Jonathan . --------------------------------------------------------------- Next TLUG Nomikai: 11 March Wed 1998 Tengu TokyoEkiMae 19:30 Chuo-ku, Kyobashi 1-1-6, EchiZenYa Bld. B1/B2 03-3275-3691 Next TLUG Meeting: 11 April 1998 Saturday, Tokyo Station Featuring Tague Griffith of Netscape i18n talking on source code --------------------------------------------------------------- a word from the sponsor: TWICS - Japan's First Public-Access Internet System www.twics.com firstname.lastname@example.org Tel:03-3351-5977 Fax:03-3353-6096
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