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RE: [tlug] RE: User-friendliness and windows and Linux
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- Subject: RE: [tlug] RE: User-friendliness and windows and Linux
- From: "Mancy, Raymond" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:54:21 +0800
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Hmm...never used MacOS or BeOS...so i wouldnt know anything about them. I guess that any OS is going to provide some sort of trouble for the absolute raw newbie in the beginning. Hell, riding a bicycle for the first time was hard.... Maybe its just because I have been using Windows for the last 6 years, day in and day out, that I think of it as easy to use (its still a pain the arse though)....maybe if I had been using MacOS I would think it is even easier. I would still feel a bit hesitant about setting up linux on someone like my Mum`s PC...but that could just be because I am not yet completely confident on Linux myself. BTW...I`m envious of you being back in the day when Computers and networks were just emerging. Due to no fault of my own I was too late for all that, and ended up here as a microsoft techie :-( Ray -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Q [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:36 PM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: [tlug] RE: User-friendliness and windows and Linux Mancy, Raymond (email@example.com) wrote: > the whole concept of an OS that is useable for computer illiterates, and at > the moment Windows fits that bill. Very poorly. MacOS fits that bill a lot better, and I expect BeOS probably would have, too. After all, we don't need to rehash here how much trouble computer beginners and illiterate have with Windows. As simple as it is, a lot of people find getting an Internet connection working in Windows to be really hard (ISP support departments spend a lot of time helping people with that), and Windows' frequent failures really leave beginners in the lurch and in need of experienced assistance to help them with the inevitable reinstall. Microsoft is trying to address those problems, but they haven't gone away yet. With Linux, on the other hand, the situation is reversed. You may need a knowledgeable person to get it intalled in a recommended way (we know the installer won't do that for you; it'll install it, but not in a best-accepted-practice way) and properly locked down, but after that it will just work. If we take any major distro and install and configured it for someone, they will be able to reliably work, day in and day out, without ever touching a shell or even knowing there is such a thing (especially true if we choose KDE, which is more complete in that area than Gnome is yet. I prefer and use Gnome, but I do concede to KDE in that area). If, thereafter, the person finds themselves in need of expert assistance, it is highly likely that they would need expert assistance under the same circumstances regardless of their OS. > here (or aywhere) would not have started with *nix as there first OS(that My first OS was on HP systems in the 1970s. After that, it was MVS in the 1980s, followed by DOS, a bit of OS/2 way back when, then Windows, and from 1997, *nix (chiefly Linux). > would depend on age as well, 15 years ago we didnt have Windows). Windows > will help raw newbies to grasp a lot of concepts Usually, they just use it. The concepts go totally unnoticed, for the most part. In fact, the whole point of click-drool GUI is to keep people as far from concepts as possible, is it not? > all computers. I think that Windows actually brings in a lot more new PC > buyers than Linux ever will for the forseeable future. Windows doesn't draw people to PCs; people are drawn to PCs by the things they can do with them. People buy PCs not because of Windows but in spite of it, or at the least, it is irrelevant to the purchase. If you could buy a PC with a ported version of MacOS on it, and run MacOS applications (either ported, or via a binary compatibility layer), the sale of Windows preload PCs would plunge tremendously. Apple knows this, but they also know the sale of Macs would plunge even more, b/c you still get more bang for the buck out of PC hardware. Since Apple is chiefly a hardware vendor, and the main motivation to buy their (relatively) expensive hardware is the OS that runs on it, (the reverse of Sun, where the only reason to run their OS is to get the hardware :-) they will never port that OS to the Intel platform unless they should themselves abandon the PowerPC architecture and move to Intel (not likely), and even if they did, they wouldn't license the Intel MacOS to anyone else. To get a Mac-tel machine, you'd have to buy it from Apple. > I think that the day that Linux becomes as "user-friendly" as windows, I > will throw my Linux iso's and once again look for somethig which is > fun/challenging. I still say the Windows-centric definition of "user-friendly" is skewed, but yeah, if all Linux distros behaved like Windows, I'd become an exclusive BSD user. Jonathan
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