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- From: Dave Gutteridge <dave@example.com>
- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:09:29
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Okay, this is kind of long. I tend to get wordy. But what the hey.... here's my 2 cents: >I'm going to unsubscribe from the TLUG mailing list immediately after >sending this message, for several reasons... [rest of message ommitted} Well, I suppose Chris here won't be really interested in reading this response or any subsequent follow ups, but for everyone else, i felt it worth to make a statement about his feelings that TLUG and Linux in general is being swamped by people with a "gimme gimme" attitude. I am essentially one of the "dead end users" to which he is presumeably referring to when he states that the majority of people in this mailing list are no longer interested in knowing how their box works, and simply want it to work much like an Apple OS or a "Windoze". I can't speak for others, but i know that I AM interested in how my machine works, but being interested and being ABLE to do something about it, and having the TIME to write my own code are seperate things. My work is as a computer animator. The software is detail intensive and time consuming. At the end of the day, i don't have much time to learn to many intricacies (did i spell that right?) of how my new OS works. I would love to be able to write code and develop new apps, and in fact i'm halfway through my "teach yourself Java in 21 Days" book now. Serious programmers may laugh, but i'm doing what i can, because i'm interested. I'm also interested in the new Java OS coming out. And XML. And making my own web page, and learning Japanese, and so on... But my own personal time issues aren't really at issue, though i think probably most people can relate - I haven't met the person who claimed to have "too much time". What I see as the core issue is a contradiction, or maybe i can go as far as calling it a hypocracy, in the attitude of people like Chris. (Don't take this personal Chris, I'm just trying to make my point). You see, for a while, I'm not sure how long, I heard rumblings of how great an OS Linux was. People who were using it were raving about it. I think the moment I decided I wanted to get it was on a web page about building your own computer - something i was doing at the time - and i came across a line which said something like "Now that you have your hardware together, it's time to ruin it all by installing Windows95. But if you want to take real advantage of your machine, I recomend Linux". I'm paraphrasing, but that is essentially what it said, and that with the combined ravings of how great Linux was and my own experience with what can go wrong with Microsoft products, I started on the path to Linux. So here I am. At first i was a little cocky because i had been using SGI machines for a while, and thought i knew UNIX. But after the first hurdle of installing the OS, i found i couldn't even figure out how to access my floppy drive. I bought a stack of Linux books (Linux for dummies... Special Edition Linux... Linux in a nutshell...) and somehow i couldn't get straight answers. Sometimes when i post a question about something on that level, i get "flamed" a bit for not checking the "man pages". Well, just in case some of you have forgotten what it's like to be a newbie at something, those pages are cryptic, not well cross referenced, and don't hold all the answers to the mysteries of the universe. Then I discovered TLUG. And the mailing list, and i found that when I asked a simple question, like how to get to my floppy drive, not only did i get the information i needed, i was also given a few tips and pointers on related information which ensured that i didn't have to ask the next question which was on my lips. Give me a human response over a man page any day. Anyways, Perhaps i digress. I was simply ensuring that we all know why it is that I or someone as inexperienced as me comes in with a question most of you think is as basic as breathing. Back to the main: It was this "Old Guard" that Chris speaks of which kept telling me in the past that Linux is better than windows in so many ways. They sit around mocking NT ("Neandrethal Technology") and Win98 (Heard the one comparing it to Princess Diana? Crashes spectacularly...). Okay, okay, i'm sold. I'm here. But now you tell me i have to be a programmer in order to use it? I was actually quite proud of learning how to install, configure and run my Apache server, and how to install a Java virtual machine. But that isn't good enough. Now if i want an HTML editor, i have to program the app from scratch? You simply can't deny that Linux does not have as many commercially available apps as Windows. That's just a function of the market place. But that doesn't mean that I can rectify my complaints by creating the lacking item. I just don't have that skill. That's what specialisation is for. I guess what it comes down to is these points: 1. It's simply unrealistic that you expect EVERY user of Linux to be part of the huge and admirable team that modifies, improves, and develops apps for it. Every "Old Guard" user i know has his or her eyes light up at the idea that Linux may compete for market share with NT. You just can't get there with only programmers. You need the people who just USE the OS. 2. You (All of y'all) convinced me that Linux was better than NT. And i believe you. But don't get mad at me when I may point out something that isn't there. I'm a user, and you are the programmer. I'm not demanding you make it, but don't complain to me about what I can't do. Why don't you impress me with what you CAN do? Here ends the rant. I thank you for reading, and apologise if i have inadvertently offended anyone. My intention was simply to give insight into the point of view of those of us who look to others to keep Linux getting better. Dave Gutteridge --------------------------------------------------------------- Next Nomikai: 20 November, 19:30 Tengu TokyoEkiMae 03-3275-3691 Next Meeting: 12 December, 12:30 Tokyo Station Yaesu central gate --------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsor: PHT, makers of TurboLinux http://www.pht.co.jp
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