Re: tlug: xemacs/MULE with cannaserver and ckinput2 (was: PJE) (fwd)

["Eric S. Standlee" <fwiw3980@example.com>]

Thanks for the wonderful information.  Every thing works up to a point.

Sorry to be a major pain, but is there a trick to keep the Japanese text
once you have typed it in.  I can shift-space to get canna input, and
space through the choices, and then if I hit shift-space or enter the
canna that I have already typed is gone...  This is in kterm...  I pine in
kterm so that I can at least read the Japanese e-mail I get.  In order to
crtl-x to send I have to shift-space... right?  I mean if I am in the
middle of canna input.  Otherwise pine or cannaserver or kinput2 beeps...


TIA,

Eric S. Standlee
Kashihara City, Nara Prefecture, Japan
e-w.standlee@example.com
fwiw3980@example.com <default>

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Stone <sstone@example.com> writes:
> 
>     Scott> On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Matt Gushee wrote:
> 
>     >> 1) If you have a System V -ish boot configuration (Red Hat,
>     >> TurboLinux?, maybe Debian, but I think not Slackware), you
>     >> should have
> 
>     Scott> Just FYI, everyone, yes, TL is a SystemV-ish configuration,
>     Scott> very similar to Redhat's.
> 
> Debian also is SysV-rashii.
> 
> >>>>> "Eric" == Eric S Standlee <fwiw3980@example.com> writes:
> 
>     Eric> I got ncurses3 installed and then canna and ckinput2
>     Eric> installed fine I think...  I started
>     Eric> xemacs-with-canna-MULE-support, and then realized that there
>     Eric> must be some other things I have to set up before I can
>     Eric> actually type Japanese...
> 
> Yup.  You can type it, but you won't see it  :-P
> 
>     Eric> 1) what is the best way to set up the system to run
>     Eric> cannaserver on startup?
> 
> If you have an /etc/init.d[/boot]/canna[server] script, as Matt said,
> all you need to do is put a link to that in your normal startup level
> (`fgrep default /etc/inittab' to find out, usually 2 or 3), eg:
> 
> ln -s ../init.d/cannaserver /etc/rc2.d/S99cannaserver
> 
> (This assumes the Debian layout, poke around and you'll figure out
> what's right for you.  Relative links are preferred for PMS reasons,
> you don't need to do so.)
> 
> If you don't, you should probably have an rc.local file; put the
> cannastart command in there.
> 
> You don't have to reboot, just run the cannaserver.
> 
>     Eric> 2) do I need an environment var initialized, if so where
>     Eric> should I do that?
> 
> If you are going to use kinput2, you need two variables set:
> 
> LANG=ja_JP.euc
> XMODIFIERS="@example.com=kinput2"
> export LANG XMODIFIERS
> 
> This should be done in the user's .bash_profile or .bashrc script, or
> possibly in /etc/profile.  Where is extremely system dependent, and
> mostly a matter of style.  As far as I can tell, nobody uses these
> files according to the documentation.
> 
> I prefer using Canna directly through XEmacs, myself; you can either
> start XEmacs before the XMODIFIERS variable is exported, or you can
> start XEmacs with
> 
> XMODIFIERS='' xemacs ...
> 
> to achieve the same effect.  If you are going to stick with Canna, you
> may prefer to use kinput2 in both cases.
> 
> For properly built XEmacs 20.4 and above (probably 20.3 as well), no
> customization of .emacs is needed.
> 
>     Eric> 3) It might be different, but in xemacs and kterm how do I
>     Eric> initialize input of Japanese characters, and just as
>     Eric> important, how do I stop Japanese input?
> 
> Very system-dependent.  In a well-setup system tuned for Japanese
> keyboards, you can use the kanji key for both; it's a toggle, in and
> out on the same key.
> 
> The default for kinput2 on non-Japanese-tuned systems is Shift-SPC,
> YMMV.  If it works, it works in both XEmacs and kterm.
> 
> In recent XEmacs, the Canna subsystem is integrated with the Library
> of Emacs Input Methods (nice on the outside, inside an FSF
> abomination).  You toggle the currently selected input method with
> Ctrl-\.  If there is none, you will be prompted for it; type 
> j<TAB>c<TAB><RET> (or if you're a Real Man, japanese-canna<RET>).
> 
> If that doesn't work, you'll need to use the code Matt provided in
> your .emacs.  The default canna-toggle is Ctrl-o, which is very
> inconvenient for me.
> 
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