Re: [tlug] Introduction to (Tech) Worker Cooperatives, 09:00AM on Sunday, July 12th JST

[Yasuaki Kudo <yasu@example.com>]

Agreed, but you also need to diminish the profit motive.

A cooperative with a profit maximisation objective will still have its priorities wrong, even with democratic shareholder voting.

Thank you for this comment - yes, this just clarified something.   This relates to my lesson of the day (I am following some popular 'spiritual' course) which went something like to be rich is to give.

It could be the transition from Capitalism to something else will coincide with the radical change in value system - the logic of having more stuff is in serious trouble, because in the capitalist system, it is often a reflection of some horrible exploitation...

Anyway, none of this will matter much when I 'die'  - it is remarkable that we only have something like 365 * 100  days in our lifetime, a number so small and insignificant for computers 😄

On Jul 8, 2020, at 20:20, Benjamin Kowarsch <trijezdci@example.com> wrote:



On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 20:03, Yasuaki Kudo <yasu@example.com> wrote:

You would be very welcome to attend the meeting!

I'll see if I can fit it into my schedule. ;-)

 

My personal interest in worker coop comes from my belief that the basic tenet of worker cooperatives, one-person-one-vote, not one-stock-one-vote, is necessary for participatory economy, which in turn is a requirement to protect and enhance democracy.

Agreed, but you also need to diminish the profit motive.

A cooperative with a profit maximisation objective will still have its priorities wrong, even with democratic shareholder voting.

If profit maximisation remains the number one priority over all else (which is what capitalism really means, hence the word capital-ism) then you are not going to change the equation on a fundamental level. You are merely moving the proverbial deck chairs on the Titanic. It is the elevation of profit that has gotten into this  spiral of ever increasing wastefulness. Cap profits at a level just enough for sustenance and you are changing direction out of this spiral. Otherwise, no chance.

On Jul 8, 2020, at 18:51, Benjamin Kowarsch <trijezdci@example.com> wrote:



On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Yasuaki Kudo <yasu@example.com> wrote:

 

At the Nix/NixOS Show & Tell event yesterday, some people asked what “worker cooperatives” were.   This is a follow-up for the question 😊

 

Event links (almost the same content):

• https://community.coops.tech/t/introduction-to-tech-worker-cooperatives-by-micky-metts/2183
• https://www.meetup.com/Tokyo-Haskell-Meetup/events/271789558/

Is this just some kind of shameless plug? :-)

I do not see any definition for "worker cooperative" nor simply "cooperative" anywhere when following these links. :-o

Of course, if I didn't know what a cooperative is, I could just use a search engine. :-)

The cooperative movement has been something close to my heart ever since I opened my first bank account

at a cooperative bank by sheer happenstance at the tender age of 18 and was baffled when I got a "bonus"

credited to my account at the end of the financial year, which amounted to the equivalent of ~25.000 JPY.

Back in the early 1980s that was quite a bit of money. It turned out the bank was owned by its customers

and returned any profits over 3% back to its customers every year. I used that money to buy shares and

became a co-owner of the bank with voting rights at the shareholder meeting where every shareholder

had exactly one vote no matter how many shares they owned, democratic and resistant to hostile

takeover by any leeches of the Lehmann Brothers kind who cause financial crises every so many years.

In the same year, a friend who had just finished his apprenticeship as a mechanic didn't want to work

but enjoy unemployment benefits for as long as he would be eligible, but the job centre sent him to

a cooperative machine factory. They had gone bust under the former owners. There were no other

employers in that town and all the workers had mortgages to pay, so they took out second mortgages

and offered a substantial sum to the creditors to keep the factory going with a promise to freeze

pay and work unpaid overtime until all the debt was paid.

The money was nowhere near sufficient to pay off the creditors but they were impressed enough to give

the workers a chance under the condition that they form a cooperative and take over the company, then

hire professional managers to run it. They did and within several years of hard work they had paid off the

debt. Afterwards, they didn't quite know what to do with the excess profits so they invested in a company

fire brigade which was the most modern in the whole state, day care for employee's families, a company

hospital, library, professional training center and pension funds. When my buddy said he was to go there

for an interview I said "Hey, that's a great company" but he replied "Are you crazy? Do you have any idea

how they work there? You can't even have a smoke without everybody else giving you a hard time for

wasting time on the job. Anywhere else, only the boss will do that." Lesson learned: Coops won't get any

riff raff in their workforce, they filter themselves out beforehand.

So, thanks for bringing this to my attention, I'd like to know what these guys are doing, but like I said

the links do not have any information on this.

BTW, the first cooperatives were set up in Germany in the 1860s by one Carl Frederic Raiffeisen who

invented the governance model (democratic voting, profit cap, widespread ownership) which is today

enshrined into Austrian and German law.