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- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:38:32 +0900
- From: Curt Sampson <cjs@example.com>
- Subject: Re: [tlug] Up against the wall! [was: Running without Gnome...]
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On 2016-04-29 15:13 +0900 (Fri), Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > It turns out that "project manager" is a necessary role.... Oh, I never said it wasn't, and in fact I absolutely believe that it is. However, it's also not terribly hard for anybody of reasonable intelligence to learn, and having basic knowledge of it is essential--or at least highly important--for anybody doing actual work on a project full-time. Plus, the actual workers are the only ones actually qualified to say how fast they can get something done. Though of course they have to actually be thinking about how they estimate and actively trying to estimate better in order to eventually produce good estimates. Thus, when you have a bunch of good developers working full-time on a project, get them to do the project management as well. (But, as per my previous message, do make sure you've got a product manager for them to talk to.) You'll be more than compensated for the slight extra overhead by having project management that's not only much cheaper, but that actually works. Of course, if your developers are idiots, they won't be able to learn how to do the project management. But if your developers are idiots, you're still screwed no matter how good your project manager is. In some areas of industry, having a "manager" who doesn't actually handle the real work can work. For example, logistics companies and the ones that take on their own logistics (such as Amazon) can afford not to understand the actual effects of their policies on their warehouse staff because those staff can still work to a reasonable standard even when utterly demoralized, and when they burn out and quit all the time, there are plenty more where they came from. But if your typical clueless project manager tries to run a development team like that, he'll destroy the product. > Remember, Linus and Guido are talented hackers, but it's project > management where they're off-the-scale geniuses. Yes, but they wouldn't be "off-the-scale [PM] geniuses" or even be accepted by those they manage if they weren't first and foremost developers who are willing to sit down and do the work. (A rule I think a _lot_ of organizations would benefit from is, "if you have a proposal, and nobody else is willing to do it, be prepared either to do it yourself or to drop it.) cjs -- Curt Sampson <cjs@example.com> +81 90 7737 2974 To iterate is human, to recurse divine. - L Peter Deutsch
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