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- Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:48:17 +0900
- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@example.com>
- Subject: [tlug] Self-introduction
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Thomas writes: > That is, where the computer comes in. In the good old days a > mechanical typewriter would do just fine, but today everybody has > to ise computers for everything, so that Big Brother can be > watching. If you're serious about caring about "Big Brother", in principle you definitely do want to get away from Windows because Windows 10 (currently in beta, I think, to be released later this year?) apparently is much more intrusive about sending reports back to Microsoft than any previous version. I wonder if it will work at all offline, and it seems likely to be rather annoying to configure that way. I worked in a situation where I was handling a bit of personal data accessible only via Windows (including contributions to an NPO by about 800 people, as well as income information for about 50 full-time and part-time staff), and I just appropriated an old Windows XP laptop that was lying around and turned off the network. That worked fine, except for the occasional virus infection when I took short cuts by using USB sticks that I got from work colleagues instead of virgin ones. :-) You'd need to ask somebody more Windows-oriented than me about the prospects for that kind of offline use (for whatever reason) in future versions of Windows. To put that in plain English: if you are concerned about computer effects on privacy, get another computer and turn off its network. > I need: a wordprocessing tool → for years now I have been using > LibreOffice / a mailer / a browser / a whole lot of dictionaries (I > will come to this again). > When I press the key "A", I would like to get an "A" on my screen, > if printed on paper and be able to send (mail!) that "A" to whoever > has requested it. On the whole, are you satisfied with LibreOffice and the other Linux software you have used? Do you have specific requirements other than those listed so far you need to have satisfied? > As long as the tool(s) = computer can give me that, I am not much > interested in the inner workings of the machine and I am not really > warming up to the idea of learning a whole new language > ("computer") just in order to use that tool. Linux for the personal computer does not offer "zero-configuration" installation, and probably never will. Perhaps you are aware that Google's Android is actually a Linux derivative, and a of lot hardware that you just plug in and maybe configure with a web browser (routers and Google ChromeCast) have Linux inside, but it's non-trivial to connect with it. Of course Android is just as bad as a personal computer for providing personal information to the vendors and most likely governments. But it does offer the kind of "switch it on and get to work" zero-configuration experience you want. Why can't corporate distributions like Red Hat and Ubuntu give you that? Because the advantage of personal computers vs. the devices just mentioned is configurability in hardware and software. Red Hat and Ubuntu don't make money selling Linux distributions. They make Linux distributions so they can make money consulting, especially to large companies. Of course "zeroconf" is useful in that role to their consulting, but they can't get away from the fundamental contradiction that their reason for existing is providing configuration services -- their clients need systems tuned to client needs. > For many years now I am more or less desperately trying to get away > from Microsoft products, but Linux is definitely NOT facilitating > this process. I don't think that's a useful way to look at it. I'm sure that Linux *can* provide the features you need. The problem is that for some reason the application vendors are not developing them. That's important for forecasting whether Linux will provide them while you are still working. If the answer is "unlikely", Darren's question "why" becomes all the more important. > My first encounter was with something called "Linguas OS = Linux > for translators" (ubuntu based). When I found that, 7-8 years ago, > I first was very excited having finally found something just for > me. > > It quickly turned out, however, that I could not make it work .. AT > ALL! I think you're exaggerating. Surely you could boot it. It's OK to use them as expletives ("four letter words"), but you need to provide accurate statements as well. If they're the only thing you write, such exaggerations obscure the real problem as well as your actual level of skill with the systems you're using. Help us help you! > One after the other. The well advertised "Linux just works^TM is > something, I have not yet experienced over all these > years. Sometimes I am really asking myself, why I still keep > trying. Darren asked that too. It's not a question of *you* (even if you've been told that elsewhere, it just isn't true). If you wanted to or needed to, you could learn to use Linux. But apparently you don't need or want to learn Linux. So the problem is that *your requirements* are not well served by Linux. The task we face is to figure out how Linux fails, and if we can help you set up a Linux- based system that does what you need. > And/or, when I ask stupid questions like whether Linux needs > antivirus software I don't see anything "stupid" about that! At present Linux doesn't need protection against the kinds of viruses that turn thousands of Windows machines into 'bots every day, but that's more a matter that the user types, the "biodiversity" inherent in open source, and the number of hosts available make it a less attractive target than it is of the OS itself. But you don't need root to send spam from a Linux system, and if you have login access to a user account on a host, it's much easier to get root if you need it to set up a "black" server or something. The risks are present even if they haven't manifested themselves broadly on personal workstations yet. Ask anybody who runs a mailing list or a bugtracker or a wiki about defending against spam! It's a question more Linux users should be asking themselves.... Not too seriously yet, but if the bad guys ever turn their attention to us, I doubt that there are many Linux users who could defend themselves against the kind of sustained attack that led to the antivirus subindustry in Windows. Plain English: "Linux doesn't have a virus problem" is a mantra any moron can memorize, but I doubt there are all that many fanboys who can tell why it there's no problem now, and under what conditions a problem could arise. You know more than you think you do. :-) > (ALL translation agencies usually ask for Windows files). Do they ask for *Windows* files, or for *Word* files? It's true that Word doesn't offer WYSIWYG portably (there are differences in font rendering on the Mac that result in differences in line and page breaks), but perhaps that would be a more usable alternative now than it was a few years ago. Word now reads .odf quite well in my limited experience, so you could use your existing LibreOffice files too, I believe. Mac might be a better alternative now than it was then, and in my experience all Linux applications also work on Mac. > And I also need some stuff, Linux apparently does not offer, like > proper dictionaries etc. What do you mean by "proper" dictionary? Jim Breen's EDICT family has long been as good as any of the EJ/JE dictionaries I've spent money on or inherited, except in some specialized fields like mathematics and economics (there are specialties where it's very good). > Right now, my "production machines" are: at home = new computer > running Windows8.1, my little acupuncture clinic = Optiplex 620 > still running WinXP (I get blackmailed from the translation > agencies, telling me, they will not send me any new work, unless I > "upgrade" my system). Besides that I have a notebook PC running > Win7; two notebooks from my kids running kubuntu 14.04, 64-bit and > xubuntu 14.04, 32-bit (Tuxtrans) respectively. Since "Mint" is the > flavor that appeals to me most, I installed Mint 17.1 Cinnamon, > 64-bit on the Optiplex 745, which used to be my production machine > at home. So, this is not exactly an "experimental machine". I'm sorry, but since you have yet to succeed in configuring a Linux machine that does enough of what you need it to do, anything based on Linux that you try to use for work *must* be considered "experimental" at this point, or you're risking a real disaster that costs you clients. You are going to need to maintain a separate production machine that "just works" for the time being, and from what you say your Optiplex/XP's days are numbered. All you've told us so far is how Linux has failed to work for you, but that you want to get away from Microsoft systems (and your kids have apparently succeeded in that). You really need to tell us more about your motivation for persisting in using Linux. Otherwise, we're going to have to tell you what *we* would do in your place, and that's a mistake because we all (or almost all) use Linux because we want to. > With your permission, I would like to ask a number of probably stupid > questions AND would appreciate answers in plain English You're welcome to ask questions. The only really stupid questions are the ones that go unasked. That said, if you really want to use Linux, you're going to have to meet us in the middle. Configuring a computer and diagnosing problems by email requires precise language. "Middle" can be a lot closer to you than to where some of us are, but your posts so far aren't very useful to me in figuring out why your Cinnamon system "crashed" and so on -- they're long on information that really doesn't much matter ("xubuntu 14.04, 32-bit (Tuxtrans)"), and short on what matters to getting your system in usable shape. I suspect everybody else feels that way too. Welcome to TLUG, and I hope we can help you to configure your system. I wouldn't mind if we managed to kindle some interest in Linux itself, but that's not a requirement.
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