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- Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 04:42:28 +0900
- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@example.com>
- Subject: Re: [tlug] OT: interesting NY times article:High-Tech Japanese, Running Out of Engineers
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CL writes: > Agreed. Hamamatsu in 1979. I recall several long evenings of massive > quantities of stuff on sticks, lubricated with shochu, listening our > design team bucho bemoan the dearth of good Japanese engineers even > then. Sure, but the "bitchin' bucho" is a cross-cultural timeless phenomenon. I'll bet even Joseph was bitching about the quality of Egyptian slaves, that's why he welcomed his brothers so effusively. "At last, quality people! Now I can really turn this country around!" The stats I've seen indicate that engineering grads in Japan were still increasing around 1980, it's just that demand was increasing more rapidly (of course the imbalance was especially bad in gaku-batsu shops like yours). What's interesting/scary about the parallel between the US in 1978 and Japan 2008 is that the scare talk is backed by real numbers regarding declining rikei enrollments. > In front of twelve Japanese and four roundeyes. <img src="eyes-roll-left.svg" /> Rank hath its privileges. > There was a huge ongoing debate over whether to allow Korean, > Chinese, and Taiwanese engineers (we were working on a tieup with > an Indian company already) to work at the headquarters as it was > feared that they'd copy everything and do it cheaper when they went > home. It's funny that the Japanese would fear that, since it's what they did so well. It's sad that on the whole they decided (as many <insert non-Japanese ethnicity du jour here> will tell you) to act on their fears and keep the foreigners as far away from sensitive technology as possible. Ironically, it's like kids and cookie jars. Putting the cookie jar on the refrigerator only teaches the kid to be a good climber. I have to admit it was not a no-brainer, though. The Japanese neither want foreigners to stay a minute longer than they're needed for the job at hand, nor do they expect them to, whereas (corporate) America has been far more welcoming (to the H1B elite, anyway), and succeeded in corrupting most of them into staying. Hell, it's working on my wife and daughter! Regarding technical recruiting, my car was in the shop the other day, and the consultant was a woman. So while I was waiting for the gofer to bring up the car, I asked her how she got into a technical field (recruiting female students is a big issue in technical fields in both US and Japan). She said, "it's a family business -- no way I could beat the money and hours in high school, and I'm good at it." But she'd rather be in personal finance or sales, and she's thinking about quitting if they don't move her. Seems like the tale of the times!
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