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Re: [tlug] "But What's the Precise Technical Reason?"
- Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:58:53 +0900
- From: "Lyle (Hiroshi) Saxon" <ronfaxon@example.com>
- Subject: Re: [tlug] "But What's the Precise Technical Reason?"
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Some names from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
"Faulty capacitors have been discovered in motherboards as old as Socket
7 and have affected boards manufactured up to the present day. While
this article deals primarily with desktop computer hardware, this
problem is by no means limited to that area. These capacitors can also
be found in some cameras, network switches, audio equipment, DVD
players, and a range of other devices. Even some car electronic control
units have been found to have these same brands of often-failing
capacitors. However, computer components are by far the most common
location of these capacitors."
In cameras! In cars! In DVD players! This really should be on TV with
reporters crawling all over....
"Indeed, a strong case can be made that these capacitors (which often
fail in 6 months or less) are still being manufactured, and are still
being chosen over superior components by manufacturers to use in their
products."
Still being used in new equipment?! No! Stop the line! Get better parts
into those boards!
"As of May 2005, [2] some evidence shows that the failing Nichicon
capacitors on the iMac, Intel, and Dell boards are due to a different
problem (capacitors overfilled with electrolyte) than the one discussed
on this page (faulty electrolyte formula). However, both the effects on
the system and the physical appearance of the capacitors are the same as
the other failing capacitors, as is how to identify them, and the
required repair."
"The primary cause of these problems is industrial espionage gone wrong,
with some Taiwanese electrolyte manufacturers using a stolen formula
that was incomplete, and lacked ingredients needed to produce a stable
capacitor."
"Sadly, once the problems with these capacitors became known, there is
evidence that motherboard manufacturers continued to use the bad
capacitors either knowingly or unknowingly. Only ABIT has admitted to
the problems, while other manufacturers have given responses ranging
from ignorance to denial. Some have gone so far as to issue legal
threats to web sites mentioning their names in conjunction with
capacitor failures. IEEE's Spectrum has an overview of the situation,
aptly titled "Leaking Capacitors Muck up Motherboards", after the
tendency of the capacitors to leak their fluid onto the motherboard."
"Soldering on motherboards, which are typically made of six or more
layers, some of which may have ground planes, and may use lead-free
solder requiring higher temperatures than leaded solders, can be
challenging. Attempting a repair without the right equipment and skills
can easily destroy an otherwise repairable board."
Some names:
Bad
* Canicon (found on PNY video cards (at least the GeForce4 based
models), among other components))
* Chhsi
* Choyo
* CTC
* Fuhjyyu (found in Antec and FSP (and so many others licensed from FSP,
for example Zalman), Tagan and so many other power supplies to this day)
* Gloria
* GSC
* (G) Luxon (also G-Luxon) (Found in some older ECS motherboards)
* Hermei
* I.Q.
* Jamicon
* JDEC
* JPCON
* Jun Fu (found in some Deer power supplies)
* OST (found on some PCCHIPS, ECS, ASUS, and EPoX motherboards to this day)
* Raycon
* Lelon
* Licon
* Taicon (found on ASRock motherboards and BFG video cards, part owned
by Nichicon or so their website claims)
* Jen Pan TUR/TUL (known as "PCE-TUR" or "PCE-TUL", owned by CEC) (found
in Enermax power supplies and in Seasonic power supplies (300W, prod.
2002)). Mostly good, but they had a series of the TUR wich was also bad.
* FUH YIN (found on the memory board of a hp workstation x4000)
Suspicious brands
* Tayeh — This brand appears to not actually exist, indicating the
actual manufacturers were wary of putting their name on their product;
and probably a fake of "Ta-Keh", a genuine maker of high-end capacitors
for audio equipment, used by Denon and Technics (Panasonic).
* Rulycon — A clone of "Rubycon", a well-known manufacturer of
high-quality capacitors, right down to the style of the cases and the
fonts used for lettering.
Admitted
* Jackcon — The only capacitor manufacturer to own up to their mistake;
they are also the only one to issue free replacement capacitors to
people who had theirs fail. Their new products appear to be of greater
quality but still not as good as known-good brands.
Possibly reformed
* Teapo — Teapo has denied these claims, but evidence suggests their new
capacitors are sound. However their older ones appear to suffer from the
same problems other brands do.
* NRSY — with X-shaped vents are suspect (counterfeits); the new NRSY
capacitors with K vents are genuinely high-quality.
Good
* Rubycon
* Nichicon
* Panasonic
* Sanyo
* Nippon Chemi-con
* United Chemi-Con
Lyle
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