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- Subject: Re: tlug: Interesting new server
- From: Karl-Max Wagner <karlmax@example.com>
- Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:29:26 +0000 (GMT)
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- In-Reply-To: <199805161000.TAA00575@example.com> from "Manuel M. T. Chakravarty" at May 16, 98 07:00:17 pm
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> This is definitely an interesting project and one of the > members of the Beowulf project (might even be the leader) Don Becker is the leader of the Beowulf project. He is also the one who wrote a large portion of the ethernet drivers for Linux. > myself, but nevertheless, I think this announcement is a bit > too optimistic. This is for a hardware and a software Not necessarily. Beowulf has been around for a while. In fact, there are already a hundred Beowulf clusters in daily use already. One of the biggest so far is Los Alamos National Labratory's Avalon with 70 500 MHz DEC Alpha machines. > reason. Hardware: Even a 100MBit Ethernet is a joke > compared to the networks used in `real' parallel machines. Super high communications speed is not necessarily a prerequisite for paralell processing. I'll explain later why. > ....<Hardware considerations>..... > Software: Unfortunately, here Linux is the problem. > ......<Networking considerations>..... In a paralell processing system several strategies exist - but a common objective is to keep processor intercommunications at a strict minimum, because otherwise communications is using up considerable computing power - no matter how clever and efficient the intercommunications strategy is. There is another problem: in larger clusters routing between the nodes is a major problem. Thus simple communications strategies arrive quickly at their limits. The use of TCP/IP, resource eating as it may be in smaller networks, is justified in larger networks where special routers have to provide high throughput communications between nodes, like in the Avalon system. TCP/IP has the huge advantage of scalability to even huge systems - even systems of the size of the Internet remain manageable that way. Beowulf is a so called "coarsely grained" paralell computing system, that is nodes are working pretty much autonomously and doesn't require huge amounts of intercommunications. Actually, the creators of Avalon were musing on the influence of faster communications onto computing power and came to the conclusion that not much could be gained and decided that it wasn't worth the expense. This shows that their network is certainly not short of actual requirements. > Extreme Linux is surely interesting for some applications, > but `high performance computing' is still something quite > different. I'd rather say it is a late reaction onto the fact that Beowulfs lately have been popping up like mushrooms after a summer rain and they try to serve this emerging market, too. Avalon, BTW, made it already into the "Top 500" list of supercomputers with 19.2 GFlops ( sustained, measured with Linpack ). This certainly isn't just peanuts. The system cost them arounf 150 000 US-$ and has the same performance as a SGI Origin with 64 processors, but costing 10 times as much ! If they have that much money they could push it to 700 nodes and push their system maybe into the top 50 range or so.... The creation of Avalon from the arrival of the boxes until it was up and running took under 2 weeks - proving that the Beowulf system has production quality and isn't just an interesting experiment any more. My impression is that the supercomputer companies have some reason to worry: Beowulf definitely IS eating into the low end supercomputing market and is working its way upward - no wonder with a price / performance advantage of about an order of magnitude. The next threat arrives when teaming the Beowulf nodes with multi signal processor plug in boards to help the main processor in number crunching and other chores. This has the power of pushing performance by another order of magnitude without increasing the price a lot. Hank Diez ( of PAPERS fame ) is thinking into that direction. Expect these systems being able to make it into the top class of supercomputing. Even more reasons to worry for the supercomputer manufacturers. The amazing thing is how big Linux has become: From it initial design goal for a PC-UNIX system it is making it at an ever increasing pace into every nook and cranny of computing - downwards to microcontrollers and upwards into supercomputing. It seems to me that Linux, GNU & Co. are seriously vying for world dominion and historians in the future will regard all this as the most important historical fact of the ending 20 th century and the beginning of the 21st century. Maybe in 50 year's time or so free software and open circuit designs will be commonplace and that peple by then will wonder how the world was before this was the case - and most probably they will be unable to understand such a world - as little as we are able to really understand the way of thinking of a medieval knight ( just read the High History of the Holy Graal and you know what I mean...). Karl-Max Wagner karlmax@example.com -------------------------------------------------------------- Next Nomikai: 15 May Fri, 19:30 Tengu TokyoEkiMae 03-3275-3691 Next TLUG Meeting: 13 June Sat, Tokyo Station Yaesu gate 12:30 Featuring Stone and Turnbull on .rpm and .deb packages -------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsor: PHT, makers of TurboLinux http://www.pht.co.jp
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