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- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:15:19 +0900
- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@example.com>
- Subject: Re: [tlug] JFS file system license
- References: <78d7dd350810270153q4f4d2840wb161cbc9ab46659a@mail.gmail.com> <490594AF.9040001@bonivet.net> <78d7dd350810270354m28fc3489p438883a445448631@mail.gmail.com> <87tzaxfox2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4905A052.2020200@bonivet.net> <20081030001716.GB7708@pragmatic.cynic.net> <87prlibwxz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <30ce84360810292110qec4d685g7efff4d8a19e9e75@mail.gmail.com>
Ian Wells writes: > RMS seems clear on what he wants, but has made a complete mess of > describing it. That's because what he wants is not obviously what the law will give him. He doesn't dare express that precisely in public. Thus his use of legal racketeering to get what he wants anyway. > > It's a virtual address space, and it means program code and program- > > provided data. I/O is not part of the work covered by the program's > > copyright, although of course it may have its own copyright and > > attendant licensing. > > A case in point: find me either legal precedent or law that supports > this interpretation. He may have taken legal advice on the subject, > but it certainly seems to be 'I say this and it shall be so' from the > peanut gallery. *sigh* You take things much too literally. The real criterion is that any expressive work fixed in a medium is a copyrightable work. "Expressive work" is a term of art in law, and judges know what it means, and the rest of us don't until they tell us. OK? The "exec boundary" rule is not law, but a very convenient rule of thumb. It works *because programmers create their expressive works, by and large, within that boundary*, and because linking, the most prevalent way of aggregating various software components, works within that boundary, specifically *by copying various works into a single medium, thus creating derivative works under copyright law.* For a counterexample, you could imagine a networked client-server protocol. This is (obviously) spread across several virtual address spaces, yet could be considered a single work. Or not. It depends on the facts of the case. If the protocol were private and subject to change at any time on the whim of the authors, and the client does nothing useful without the server, then you could argue (and RMS has done so half-heartedly at least once that I've seen) that strong copyleft could infect clients from the server. If the protocol is public, on the other hand, then it makes sense to say that a program written to implement a client of the protocol is a separate work from any server implementation. But without a concrete, very detailed description, I can't tell you which I think it might be, and of course a judge might say something quite different. > [*] Some days I find it incredible that we have this whole set of > ethics with intellectual property which is entirely fabricated. AFAICS "intellectual property" has no ethical standing, except that derived from the legitimacy of the legal system that contains it. It's a purely economic construct. Bono's widow and her economically- induced tears ("oh, no, I'm going to be *poor*") notwithstanding.... > I can create something, and at no loss to me This is a red herring; it has nothing to do with the economics. Zero marginal cost is just a special case of constant marginal cost; all of the economics works exactly the same whether marginal cost is zero or positive. > I can create an identical copy, and give it to someone else.
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