Re: [tlug] Japanese in Xandros

[CL <az.4tlug@example.com>]

Scott Robbins wrote:

> I accidentally deleted the original post, so all headers are broken
> here, sorry.

Scott, thanks for your reply.  At the risk of upsetting even more people 
with my entrance to TLUG, I am going to append my original message so 
that you can see where I am starting from.  I learned from the [Lingo] 
people that I was posting HTML so I have changed posting sources (from 
Google's online mail program to Thunderbird) which should give everyone 
a clean plain text message to deal with.

> Theoretically (as the fortune quote goes, Theoretically means, "Not
> really" with a locale of en_US.UTF-8 (FreeBSD designation, not sure what
> it is in Debian) you should be able to input Japanese with a scim-anthy
> combination. I remember you saying you'd used EUC and I believe that is
> how you typed it.  The first thing to do is see how your particular
> distribution phrases it.  To do that

Xandros 4.1, in it's most recently updated guise, consists of a heavily 
edited KDE desktop v.3.4.2 running on Debian 3.2 (2.6.18-dcc-smp).  If 
it matters, kernel source and kernel headers were user installed 
options.  I _think_ that my original post lists all of the appropriate 
terminology as used by Xandros.

> locale -a | grep ja_JP

I am going to chop all of this and work from a printout of your message. 
 Maybe my original post will answer some of your points.

> Now
>
> $ export XMODIFIERS='@im=SCIM'
> $ export LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.utf8
> $ uxterm
>
> This should up an xterminal that handles UTF-8.
>
> In that new terminal, check that the settings are what you want.
>
> $ echo $XMODIFIERS
> $ echo $LC_CTYPE2.6.18-dcc-smp
>
> Make sure that they're what you typed before, i.e., scim and ja_JP.utf8.

Let me stop here and ask a question that was raised when Xandros 
"Support" (sic) responded to my question about setting environmental 
variables -- are these changes permanent, or only good for as long as 
the console window is open?  If the latter, is there a way to make them 
permanent ... eventually?

> Now, hit shift+space and see if the scim widget opens up.  If it does,
> then, when you type, on an English keyboard

Okay.  Let me try and get back to you / the group.  It may take a day, 
or so.

> If, when you type, you get the hiragana but when you
> try to select kanji, only see little squares, it should mean that you
> simply need to add some fonts. 

I installed over 100 CJK (well, CJ, anyway) fonts.  I HOPE that I don't 
see squares.

Here is my original post, hopefully in plain text like it should have 
been the first time out.  Incidentally, I have not yet received a reply 
from the Xandros Users List and the only folks who seem to be interested 
in CJK there are German speakers:

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

First post from a total newbie.  I have been driving the two resident 
Linux users (Ubuntu and SuSE, respectively) on the TPC list crazy with 
my questions and a sympathetic part-time Linux user pointed me here.  I 
am hoping that someone here might be able to see my mistakes / ignorance 
and tell me what I'm missing.

I am attempting to set up SCIM / scim-anthy support in Xandros 
Professional 4.1, which is based on the Debian 3.2 kernel.  Although I 
have been able to download and install several tarballs with great 
success, language support is not going to go down as my finest hour. 
Following the Debian-appropriate links from  the TLUG site lead to a 
dead site.

The following is the post I made to the Xandros Users List this morning. 
 If this much detail is inappropriate, please let me know and I will 
edit accordingly in the future.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

CL

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Is there someone out there who has installed SCIM, primarily for 
Japanese input (scim-anthy) and, secondarily, long- and short-form 
Chinese on Xandros Professional 4.1? I am missing something in my setup 
and cannot find the proper solution. Thought I would ask before I tear 
out the rest of my hair.

Yes, this is my first experience setting up Linux to do something more 
than play games.

What I have done so far:

Xandros and hardware:

First of all, my Xandros Regional Settings are:

Locale: Japanese
Desktop Language: US English
Character Set: EUC-JP
Keyboard Layout: U.S., English

Under Peripheral Devices, I have selected two layouts for my Microsoft 
Natural Pro keyboard:

US English, keymap: EN, layout variant: basic
Japanese, keymap: JP, layout variant: latin

I installed the Japanese and Chinese *.ttf and *.ttc fonts from my WIN 
machine.

Software:

So far, I have installed and allowed to self install (according to the 
four step install process for tar files described on page 406 of the 
Xandros Desktop User Guide -- tar xvfpz <package name>.tar.gz; 
./configure; make; make install) in the following order, at the 
recommendation of one information page:

anthy-9100.tar.gz
scim-1.4.7.tar.gz
scim-anthy-1.2.4.tar.gz
inputmethod-icons-1.1.1.tar.gz

I also tried to install the kasumi.2.2.tar.gz dictionary package, but 
"make" failed. It doesn't seem to like KDE nor Xandros' GTK extensions, 
so I erased the folder.

Where do I go next?

I have about five different "How to Install SCIM" guides, all of which 
mention setting environmental variables, but all of which fail to agree 
on where these variables are stored. Three make it appear as though a 
specific file needs to be modified but I have ten possible file names 
from three sources and two sources that just say "the appropriate file."

Where do I change the environmental variables? I know there are four 
lines that need to be modified but my general search is failing to 
locate the right place.

I also find repeated references to scim-qtimm and a need to modify one 
of it's variables. That package appears to have been deleted from 
Sourceforge and the page links all go to an empty page on another 
server. Is it no longer required?

Finally, the most comprehensive setup instructions are for Mandriva, not 
Debian, and these make reference to a "Global Setup" function for SCIM 
that I am unable to locate under /usr or /etc. What are the Setup pages 
that must be accessed and where are they located?