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- Subject: Re: [tlug] !!!OT!!! raw cd copy
- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@example.com>
- Date: 26 Mar 2002 19:27:57 +0900
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Myers <q90004@example.com> writes: Dan> You would always rather type in long strings with pipes Dan> instead of clicking to speed things up? I guess that is just Dan> my business mind hard at work, trying to make things ever Dan> efficient. ;) To take your own example, I suppose _you_ don't have a keyboard, but instead mouse about "hunt-and-pecking" with a GUI representation of one? ;) GUI still poses a lot of unsolved problems. 1. Clicking speeds things up only if what's under the icon DWIMs or happens to DTRT. In admin issues, the devil is in the details so DTRT is unlikely, and DWIM is actually an acronym of Japanese expletives: dame! wasurechatta! ittai-nani! mashiin-no-baka! (Corresponding English acronym: WTF?!!!?) 2. GUI is only efficient if all of the more than rarely used options are toggles or selections from small enums, there are few enough that you can see them all on a single uncluttered dialog, and if you do the same custom operation multiple times in a session the required options change rarely. And as soon as you have more than one text field, it hardly has any advantage in terms of data-entry efficiency (although it may be prettier, and thus be nicer on the eyes, etc). 3. GUI currently requires that you have all the options more or less hard-coded in the GUI. Anybody can generalize "cat | sort" to "cat | sort | uniq" (and with a decent shell, doing both requires only 1 more keystroke than just doing the second, so experimenting is cheap). How do you add `uniq' to a GUI that doesn't already have it? "Drag the text to WordPad and edit out the duplicates." Not a big win. ;-) So GUI just is not adapted to problem-solving tasks, least not yet. What GUI does well (often) is "solved-problem" tasks. And what GUI is _great_ for is _restricting_ interfaces to what management wants the peons (subordinates or clients) to see. Note that, not unlike Chris, what I do with my spare time is work on a project which is all about GUI capabilities to a power tool. It's not a question of hating GUI per se. It's a question of demanding that GUI pass the same test that everything we work on has to: empowerment. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Don't ask how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.
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