Re: tlug: Call for a vote

["Alan B. Stone" <stoneab@example.com>]

Hi all,

Maybe I'm confused, but I thought the donations were to help pay for things
for the "group"?  If we start writing down how much each persons donates, do
we also start placing a price on the amount of time someone devotes or the
amount of software someone contributes to the group?  I don't think so.  I
have to agree with Craig that accounting for the funds is necessary, but as
to how much each person donates.....come on.....where are we going with
this?

I know many of you have donated time, knowledge, software, etc.  how do we
place a price on these things?  If it wasn't for a few of you "faithful and
devoted" members, we might not all have the opportunity to meet in the first
place.

Anyway, there is my two cents.

Blaine
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Oda <craig@example.com>
To: tlug@example.com <tlug@example.com>
Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: tlug: Call for a vote


>On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Kei Furuuchi wrote:
>
>> This is interesting.
>> Mr. joem's opinion is different from Mr. Craig and his accountant
>> and from me.
>
>
>Hi,
>I don't think that the opinions are all that different.  I think
>that my accountant wanted me to take better records so that
>I wouldn't lose the money.  If I wrote down who donated how
>much there would be less chance of me losing some coins in
>my briefcase, especially after the large quantities of beer
>that are common at these events.
>
>I'm quite willing to keep more accurate records of who
>donated how much.  We actually did this for the
>December meeting, because it was tied into the number of
>raffle tickets.
>
>However, I don't think that the amount donated should be
>tied into the amount of power that a vote carries.  Although,
>it might be nice to give some generous people public recognition.
>My opinion is that TLUG is a pretty simple group and the development
>of Linux is successful because it treats a complex problem simply.
>So, too much regulations may create too much work that no one will
>volunteer to do.
>
>I don't understand the voting issue.  Could you define the
>"yes" and "no" or other parameters of the vote?
>
>
>
>
>Regards,
>Craig
>
>
>
>> So I am hoping this could be an issue we can E-mail vote for when
>> it is implimented. Then a goal could be more clear at least to me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kei.
>>
>> joem wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Kei Furuuchi wrote:
>> > > some members are actively participating in the particular projects,
>> > > working hard and contributing their resouces. I think those are also
>> > > accountted as goodwill in at least unit of time, So this gives budget
>> > > bases, reports. in case of failure, at least causes of failure will
be
>> > > known and accounted for.
>> > .....
>> > > So in summary, I think that with a minimal of effort, we
>> > > keep better records of both time and monetary contributions.
>> > > However, I would tend to just list these on the web for
>> > > public record.  Complex systems that involve voting weight
>> > > based on donation might be too much, too soon.
>> >
>> > I think all of us at TLUG have the similar goals ... to promote the
>> > production and availability of free software and to build a free
software
>> > community in an as effective manner as possible.  The main theme has
>> > generally been to use the software that others have given us, and to
give
>> > back as much to the community as we as individuals have time and
resources
>> > for.
>> >
>> > All of us make donations to TLUG in different ways ... some of us
>> > financially, some of us by putting in a lot of time on projects, and
some
>> > by just coming to the meetings and creating a good climate for others
to
>> > enjoy.  All of these aspects are equally important.
>> >
>> > I personally would rather not keep lists on how much each person spends
>> > on what project, or who gave how much money when, since it takes away
from
>> > the atmosphere of freedom that exists at present.  Many people have
>> > in the past given a great deal to TLUG without asking for anything in
>> > return, and at the same time linux users with limited resources are as
>> > much a valued part of TLUG as any other member.  I feel that this
>> > atmosphere is what makes TLUG a special group.
>> >
>> > -Joe.
>> >
>> > Joe Marchak
>> > joem@example.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Next TLUG Nomikai: 11 March Wed 1998 Tengu TokyoEkiMae 19:30
Chuo-ku, Kyobashi 1-1-6, EchiZenYa Bld. B1/B2 03-3275-3691
Next TLUG Meeting: 11 April 1998 Saturday, Tokyo Station
Featuring Tague Griffith of Netscape i18l talking on source code
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www.twics.com  info@example.com  Tel:03-3351-5977  Fax:03-3353-6096