Re: [tlug] Using TAR

[Erwan Loisant <loisant@example.com>]

On Friday 15 February 2002 12:58, roy lo wrote:
> pardon my french;

when did you speak french ? I think I would notice...

> but can you ppl. fucking read???
> did I say it won't fit? quote it to me!!
> I say it is going to have problem. he is running to low on his partition
> space. 59M that is 92% of his partition, which is a very bad ideal.
> and I don't think you need me to explain why that is bad. do you?
>
> Matt Doughty wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 07:28:03PM -0800, roy lo wrote:
> >>I know that, but don't forget the fact that directorys like /lib can
> >>grow in size. And he is got /sbin and /boot in / as well (accroding to
> >>his partition style). For argument's sake you can install those "after"
> >>softwares into /usr/bin or /usr/lib, etc. as well. But any reasonable
> >>system admin. won't let himself to be in that kinda of mess (always have
> >>"at least" 20%-30% of free space on a partition.)
> >
> > It shouldn't grow, and you are taking out the parts you like to rave,
> > about so I will spell it out for you:
> > 1. He said classic unix layout. (this makes his statement correct)
> > 2. He said scale due to excesses in current practices. (see RH)
> > 3. /lib should almost never grow that is why we have /usr/lib etc.
> >    and like I said 45M is a RH 7.2 /lib size.
> > 4. /sbin on the same install in 8M, and 6M + 8M + 45M=59M which means
> >    it all fits which you suggested it wouldn't.  You are wrong.
> >
> >>I'm not trying to jump on Chris, I only try to point out where I think
> >>is incorrect.
> >>
> >> > that link /lib, and /bin to /usr/lib, and /usr/bin respectively are
> >> > not doing the 'right thing'(TM).
> >>
> >>Wrong, that is the style that most unix systems use. Take a look at any
> >>solaris box and you will see that.
>
> Most "companies" use System V based Unix. and I agress that the "right
> thing" != "standard pratice". so you are right about that part.
> But there is a reason for that kinda of method. ie. massive dir. size or
> development machines. (for example /lib is a separe hotswap disk and we
> would replace them with the one that is shipped from Taiwan once so often)
>
> > Yeah, suddenly solaris is most systems? I know most BSD based systems
> > don't do it so that is a whole lot of boxen right there that contradict
> > your most unix systems, and I don't really care what unixes today do or
> > don't do it the point remains it is not a good practice. You should be
> > able to get up and running with only / mounted that method of mounting
> > makes that impossible.  I find your inability to read what people say
> > the most annoying part of this whole affair.  You assume firstly that
> > solaris is most systems, and then assume that my statement that it is
> > a poor practice is somehow the same as saying solaris doesn't do it.
> > The fact is alot of "standard practices" are not good practices(TM), and
> > this is just one of them.
> > <BIG SNIP>
> > --Matt

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Erwan Loisant
Ph.D. student

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